Another take on Old vs New Atheism

Atheists who fit today’s dictionary definition, in that they lack belief in any gods, have probably been around since the 1600s, give or take a century. Before that time, the term atheist didn’t really mean what it means today, for example, for the Romans, Christians were atheists in that they rejected the gods of Roman polytheism. The term atheist in the early days meant “godless”, as in “someone who rejects the gods our society believes in”, and was therefore a term of slander, an insult, an accusation. But certainly from the 17th century onwards, we have written evidence of people who lacked belief in any gods, who were atheists as we use the term today. Examples of atheists before the 21st century include philosophers like Nietzsche, Schopenhauer, JS Mill, the Baron d’Holbach, Comte, Diderot, Sartre, Russell, Hume, and scientists like Dirac, Feynman, Bateson, Freud, Turing, Sagan, to name just a few that immediately come to mind.

So these thoughts have been around for a long time, and have been published for a long time, nothing new here. Then, as far as I can see, 2 things happened. One was the religionification of the American society in the 1980s and 90s, which saw a resurgence of a rebranded creationism movement, lobbying even harder to teach what they now called “Intelligent Design” in schools alongside science, and the second event was 9/11/2001.(The third event, if you like, might have been the invention of the Internet)
I think it is at least in part due to those two (or three) developments, that the first decade of the 21st century has seen such an explosion of books, articles, debates, blogs, about issues regarding religion, atheism, and secularism. The books by Sam Harris, Dan Dennett, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens are most often named as examples in this context, and in 2006 a journalist from Wired magazine, in a silly article named “The Church of the non-believers“, named them the “New Atheists”.
That term “New Atheist”, has since somehow become a dirty word, just like “atheos” was in Greek times, it’s somehow become connotated with an accusation of stridency or militancy, and in some circles it is argued that this more vocal atheism might endanger science education, this applies particularly to the USA. The New Atheists themselves can’t do much about this, other than to run with it, so therefore we now call ourselves “gnu atheists”.
What is the difference between an old and a new atheist, you might wonder ? PZ Myers said in a speech last year (I paraphrase) that a New Atheist is just any old atheist the Church can’t burn at the stake anymore. If anything, the new atheists tackle the god question more from a scientific perspective rather than a philosophical one, as a hypothesis that can can be tested just like any other. They argue that religion and science, while incompatible as ways of gaining knowledge, are not non-overlapping magisteria in the Gould sense, that religion is not what makes us moral or gives us our values, and that religious claims, just as questions of ethics or morality, should be, and can be, object to scientific testing and investigation (Anyone who still argues that morality is not a topic where science can help us gain insights should go and read this article immediately). Dan Dennett shows in “Breaking the Spell” how religious belief is a natural phenomenon, and how organised religion developed from origins in animism and shamanism. Modern physics have taught us that something can come from nothing, and Victor Stenger shows in his newest book how and why the physical constants of the universe are not, and don’t have to be, finetuned for human life to be possible.
Some of the more common pseudo-arguments we hear from believers and certain more accomodating unbelievers alike, is how new atheists are just another church, that we somehow scare the children away from learning science in schools, that we’re just trying to destroy religion, that we aim to convert Auntie Mabel to atheism on her deathbed, that we evangelise, that we are fundamentalist and militant, you get the idea.
Well, new atheists don’t fly planes into buildings or kill abortion doctors, their militancy is limited to writing books and blog posts and newspaper articles, and drinking beer with fellow atheists, secularists and humanists.

 Another take on Old vs New Atheism

They also don’t go from door to door to evangelize for not collecting stamps. What would that even look like ?
With regards to the claim by some so-called “science communicators”, and other religious accomodationists over in the USA, that scientists who also argue for atheism somehow endanger science education by scaring the children, we have mounting evidence that those claims are a load of crap. A recent review of 4 studies found “that perceived atheist prevalence reduces anti-atheist prejudice”. In other words, as was the case with the gay rights movement in the last century, the more present and vocal and visible atheists are, the more prejudice against them is reduced. Accomodating religion and preserving the status quo for the sake of not offending anyone does in fact not help to further science education, in my opinion. New atheists, and with them secularists and humanists, must value truth and evidence, and value truth and the content of our messages more than the tone they are presented in, and we must make it clear that we don’t accept claims about the supernatural just because they are of a religious nature and therefore somehow ipso facto deserving of respect. They aren’t. I don’t think any new atheist wants to destroy or ban religion, but what we would like to see, while no evidence for any gods exists or seems to be forthcoming, is that religion is practiced by adults, in their places of worship, without teaching anything other than comparative religion to children in the schools, without tax exemptions, and what we would also like to see is that religious belief is no longer perceived as some kind of necessary prerequisite for being a moral and responsible and loving and caring human being. Because it isn’t.

8 Responses to Another take on Old vs New Atheism

  1. Louella H

    Well said !

  2. Franklin Percival

    Sorry for the cut and paste job, but I thought it would be nice to add this guy to your list

    John Baskerville (January 28, 1706 – January 8, 1775) was a printer in Birmingham, and an associate of some of the members of the Lunar Society. He directed his punchcutter John Handy in the design of many typefaces of broadly similar appearance.

    His businesses included japanning and papier-mâché, but he is best remembered as a printer. He printed works for Cambridge University in 1758 and although an atheist, printed a splendid folio Bible in 1763.

    His work was criticised by jealous competitors and soon fell out of favour, but since the 1920s many new fonts have been released by Linotype, Monotype, and other typefoundries – revivals of his work and mostly called ‘Baskerville’.

    It is thought that Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who once lived in Birmingham, may have borrowed his name for one of his Sherlock Holmes stories, The Hound of the Baskervilles.

    As an atheist, Baskerville was buried, at his own request, in unconsecrated ground in his own garden. When a canal was built through the land he was placed in storage in a warehouse for several years before being secretly deposited in the crypt of Christ Church, Birmingham. Later he was moved, with other bodies from the crypt, to consecrated catacombs at Warstone Lane Cemetery.

    The Lunar Society was an association of engineers chemists philosophers and manufacturers.

  3. Ahh, those theists. They attach any meaning to any word that is convenient to their purposes. Then they claim they are the only ones with “morals”. They don’t even allow their own system of rewards and punishments to stand in the way when it comes to deception, deceit, and denial to promote their hypocritical values.

    Someday, perhaps they will be used as a bad example of the evils of religion. But wait, aren’t we doing that now?

  4. anti_supernaturalist

    from a cultured despiser:
    notice to fundies of the Big-3 Monster Theisms

    You’re welcome to your beliefs, not your own truths.
    You’re welcome to your faith, not your own knowledge.
    You’re welcome to your interpretations, not your own reality.

    Establishing truth, knowledge, and reality requires open, testable evidence. Subjective assurance fails as a proxy for truth, knowledge, or theory.

    You may not impose your beliefs, faith, or interpretations — your lying fables — on anyone.

    Faith, the trusting suspension of disbelief, has always been theater of the absurd.

    the anti_supernaturalist

  5. “I don’t think any new atheist wants to destroy or ban religion”

    Hmm. Jerry Coyne is definitely a gnu, and he once said, while criticizing events at the AAAS meeting that are in his view insufficiently hostile to religion,

    “What about the many of us who feel that the best thing for science—and humanity as a whole—is not respectful dialogue with evangelical Christians, but the eradication of evangelical Christianity?*” (italics original)

    In fairness, after I criticized him over this remark and other points, he added the asterisk and put at the end of his post:

    *For the many people who have misinterpreted (willfully of otherwise) what I meant by the “eradication of evangelical Christianity”, it is this: I hope for the eventual disappearance of this faith, not by banning it or persecuting or killing its adherents, but through reasoned argument that changes minds (or affects minds not made up) over time. Anyone who has followed this website will understand that.

    I suppose one could say that this is about evangelical Christianity and not all religion — but with heated rhetoric like say, Hitchens, on “why religion poisons everything”, it’s not surprising that gnus have acquired a reputation for being extreme, intolerant, etc.

  6. The eventual disappearance of faith will come with improved education and social security, see Scandinavia. That’s what I’m hoping for as well. You might have noticed that I didn’t mention any of the recent kerkuffles involving you or Michael Ruse directly, because I don’t think that I want to get involved in them beyond what I have said on WEIT or Pharyngula already.

  7. Michael Kingsford Gray

    I am a gnu atheist, and most certainly want to destroy religion.
    Much as I want to destroy polio.

  8. Sure, but neither you or I are planning on achieving that by banning religious practices, but rather by gradual changing of people’s minds through improving their education and circumstances. Paradigm shifts can’t be decreed. To say that we want to “destroy” religion just gives accomodationists more straw to stuff into their strawmen.

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