Category Archives: Equality/Rights

Here’s a thought for you

I appreciate that not all atheists are concerned about social justice issues, and I probably wouldn’t start a social justice debate with a random atheist I met in a bar who just want to have a drink. However atheists who come on social network sites and spend time bashing religions are basically saying, “I do not belief in your religion, your Jesus story is fraught with irrationalities, your God sounds like a bigot”, well you are basically telling the world that you are someone who lacks a belief in a deity because you are a rational thinker, as the slogan says, “I think, therefore I am an Atheist”.

When you present yourself not just as an atheist but claim your atheism is as a result of rational thinking, don’t be surprised when people engage you in rational debates because they think you are a rational thinker , who by definition, should be open to rational debates and ready to succumb to superior facts.

This is the reason I bother to engage in rational discussions with atheists and expect same from them. This is why the way I would engage with a random atheist I met in a private space would be different from the way I engage an atheist I met on an atheist social network group. Therefore when rape jokes, gay or racial slurs are made on an atheists’ forum, it is only logical to engage in rational discussions about the genesis of such slurs that have led to irrational conclusions about a group of people.

When some atheists cringe away from such discussions and instead chose to label me or other dissenters as divisive, feminazis or confrontational, well, what they are simply signaling is that they are rational only around the issue of religion, they lack the capacity to be rational about other issues that demands rationality or just that they do not wish or have chosen not to engage in rational discussion or reach a rational conclusion about certain issues. In most cases, these certain issues just happened to be issues feminists, lgbts advocate and human rights activists are concerned about.

This is an excerpt from my new favourite blog, Yemministing.

I love learning about people who are so much more clever and knowledgeable than me. Yemisi is. Go read her! And hell yeah, do I agree with everything quoted above.

Atheist Courtyard of the Gentiles

Remember when the Catholics came up with the idea of a forum where believers and nonbelievers would sit together and calmly and politely discuss their differences? The so-called “Courtyard of the Gentiles“?

It seems to me that what we are seeing now with Michael Nugent’s ill-fated attempt to bring together those who think that women are people and those who have quibbles with the notion and its applications, is very similar indeed to this Christian palaver-fest.

This “dialogue” is so heavily moderated that it’s ridiculous, and we have a person with a real name appearing for the motion, Stephanie Zvan, while the harassers and false equivalencers from the Twatson side can conveniently have their say in anonymity behind “Jack Smith”.

I’ve said it before. This perception by Nugent that what we have here are two equally valid approaches to skepticism and atheism and what these terms should contain is flawed. There is no middle ground between “women are people” and “women are people after a fashion, although speaking up is more of a guy thing, and what about us white menz”.

The mere fact that we seem to have a “dialogue” now between harassers, their enablers, the proud Bigfoot skeptics and those content to see atheism as a way to feel smugly superior to the religious, and those on the other side who see social justice issues as a natural extension of atheism and skepticism sets these movements back 20 years, in my opinion. What was needed after Elevatorgate was a clear signal from our movements and its main representatives that yes of course, conferences and meetings should have anti-harassment policies, like every damn 7-11 store or corporate entity, that yes of course, our movements should be as inviting and welcoming as possible, and that yes of course, we should the fuck listen to those who are telling us that there are problems in our movements with the things mentioned above, and it would be a good idea to listen and try to fix the issues.

Instead here we are now having a “dialogue”. Listening to the politely and calmly presented arguments from “both sides”. This is well and truly surreal.

I have suggestions for future Courtyards: Let’s bring together normal people and proponents of banning abortions. Or how about, normal people and those who think gays should be killed in Uganda. Or how about this one, normal people and those who think letting Blacks on the bus was a bad idea in the first place, let alone to allow them to sit down. Let’s have a sincere dialogue and talk about these things, see if we can find some common ground. But strictly no yelling or bad words. And we won’t have any militant or strident folks speak for the normal people’s side. Yes, that’ll work.

The fight for Atheist souls is on

Ah look, I’m actually quite sick and tired of this whole schism debate in the atheist and skeptic movements. You know, the whole “decent people who would like to make the movements more inviting, safe and accessible for women and who acknowledge that there is inherent sexism and misogyny prevalent even in our supposedly more enlightened circles a fucking problem” versus the “All I ever wanted is to feel smugly superior to believers and All that feminism talk takes the fun out of hitting on chicks at conferences and What sexism, I never experienced any” team.

But I have to say that I’m seriously over this whole thing. And what’s more, I don’t think my side can win. I am bemused and bewildered at the same time when I see the fight raging for the souls of those in the movement who are on the fence or who try to provide a neutral space for what they think can be a civilised debate between equally valid positions, like Michael Nugent has been doing recently.

The fervor and energy with which the slymers are currently trying to convert Nugent to their cause of having the right to calling women cunts and bitches and stalking and harassing bloggers and activists with whom they disagree is simply breathtaking. At the same time, slyme associates like Russell Blackford or Miranda Hale are retweeting every brainfart from Richard Dawkins as if it was a new gospel, and now Blackford has even discovered the 2 year old “Dublin Declaration” and hails it as some kind of long forgotten masterpiece, in a not so subtle attempt to send a slyme signal to Nugent.

These people are fighting for atheist and skeptics’ souls, and for their brand of squeaky-clean old white guy atheism+ (where the “+” stands for the right to ankle-gnaw, sexually harass, or smear and discredit dissenters or critics of the former) to prevail, as if they were Christian missionaries fighting for the souls of the hunter-gatherers in the jungles of the Phillipines 400 years ago.

And I think they may actually win. Atheism and skepticism is still a predominantly old white guy thing. The women who are influential in those movements beyond the blogosphere are sadly mostly chill girls accustomed, and thereby accomplice, to the “boys will be boys” mentality, just as the female relatives of Tunesian woman Amina are, who may have helped to get her committed to a psychiatric hospital in recent days.

I’m frankly over this stuff. I thought I’d go to the upcoming “Empowering Women through Secularism” conference to help make a difference. But you know what, seeing how Michael Nugent is bending over backwards to accomodate those lying creeps, I’ve lost interest. Maybe I’ll take this blog offline soon too, while I’m at it. Atheism and skepticism fully deserve the leaders and spokespeople they currently have, from Sam “Nuke them from orbit” Harris to DJ “what harassment” Grothe, to Richard “what my racist uncle says when he’s drunk” Dawkins.

Good luck with Atheism+, people. But I’m just not optimistic that we have the numbers, that there are enough decent people around to make a difference.

I’m disillusioned, can you tell? I thought for a while there that atheists and skeptics may be the smart ones. When in fact many of them as just as dumb, inflexible, set in their beliefs, and reactionary as any Sunday prayer circle in Texas or Teheran.