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The fight for Atheist souls is on

Ah look, I’m actually quite sick and tired of this whole schism debate in the atheist and skeptic movements. You know, the whole “decent people who would like to make the movements more inviting, safe and accessible for women and who acknowledge that there is inherent sexism and misogyny prevalent even in our supposedly more enlightened circles a fucking problem” versus the “All I ever wanted is to feel smugly superior to believers and All that feminism talk takes the fun out of hitting on chicks at conferences and What sexism, I never experienced any” team.

But I have to say that I’m seriously over this whole thing. And what’s more, I don’t think my side can win. I am bemused and bewildered at the same time when I see the fight raging for the souls of those in the movement who are on the fence or who try to provide a neutral space for what they think can be a civilised debate between equally valid positions, like Michael Nugent has been doing recently.

The fervor and energy with which the slymers are currently trying to convert Nugent to their cause of having the right to calling women cunts and bitches and stalking and harassing bloggers and activists with whom they disagree is simply breathtaking. At the same time, slyme associates like Russell Blackford or Miranda Hale are retweeting every brainfart from Richard Dawkins as if it was a new gospel, and now Blackford has even discovered the 2 year old “Dublin Declaration” and hails it as some kind of long forgotten masterpiece, in a not so subtle attempt to send a slyme signal to Nugent.

These people are fighting for atheist and skeptics’ souls, and for their brand of squeaky-clean old white guy atheism+ (where the “+” stands for the right to ankle-gnaw, sexually harass, or smear and discredit dissenters or critics of the former) to prevail, as if they were Christian missionaries fighting for the souls of the hunter-gatherers in the jungles of the Phillipines 400 years ago.

And I think they may actually win. Atheism and skepticism is still a predominantly old white guy thing. The women who are influential in those movements beyond the blogosphere are sadly mostly chill girls accustomed, and thereby accomplice, to the “boys will be boys” mentality, just as the female relatives of Tunesian woman Amina are, who may have helped to get her committed to a psychiatric hospital in recent days.

I’m frankly over this stuff. I thought I’d go to the upcoming “Empowering Women through Secularism” conference to help make a difference. But you know what, seeing how Michael Nugent is bending over backwards to accomodate those lying creeps, I’ve lost interest. Maybe I’ll take this blog offline soon too, while I’m at it. Atheism and skepticism fully deserve the leaders and spokespeople they currently have, from Sam “Nuke them from orbit” Harris to DJ “what harassment” Grothe, to Richard “what my racist uncle says when he’s drunk” Dawkins.

Good luck with Atheism+, people. But I’m just not optimistic that we have the numbers, that there are enough decent people around to make a difference.

I’m disillusioned, can you tell? I thought for a while there that atheists and skeptics may be the smart ones. When in fact many of them as just as dumb, inflexible, set in their beliefs, and reactionary as any Sunday prayer circle in Texas or Teheran.

Enough with the fencepost-sitting already

Michael Nugent means well. He is sincerely concerned about the effect that the Deep Rifts™ in the skeptic and atheist movements are having on the groundwork being done by advocacy groups. And that’s fair enough and a noble cause.

But these Deep Rifts™, with all the personal animosities, broken bridges and blog trench wars that have come with it in the last 2 years in the wake of the Dublin Atheist Convention, are not as Michael seems to believe the result of disagreements on an intellectual level that can be addressed with the tools of reason and rationality. To understand this we have to remember for a moment how this all started. By Rebecca Watson making a throwaway comment in a Youtube clip about moving house. “Guys don’t do that“. That’s it. That’s all.

Michael Nugent has recently written a series of posts where he made an attempt to address these issues, he invited the 2 “parties” to rational dialogue, and I am convinced that he really means to solve this issue by ways of rational discussion and reasoning. But this can not work. Continue reading

Should I stay or should I go?

There is this awesome “Empowering Women through Secularism” conference scheduled to happen in Dublin at the end of June, and I’m severely tempted to go. Partly because I have such great memories of my last time there a couple of years ago, when we somewhat inadvertently made internet history by breaking the atheist movement, and partly because it was just such a blast.

But note the name, “Empowering Women through Secularism“, and if there’s one thing that secularism has enough of, it’s old white dudes like myself. So I was kind of thinking of not going, not only because my disillusionment with the whole atheist and skeptic movement, but also because I figured that the last thing this conference needs is a majority of old white guys. Continue reading