Michael Nugent means well. He is sincerely concerned about the effect that the Deep Rifts™ in the skeptic and atheist movements are having on the groundwork being done by advocacy groups. And that’s fair enough and a noble cause.
But these Deep Rifts™, with all the personal animosities, broken bridges and blog trench wars that have come with it in the last 2 years in the wake of the Dublin Atheist Convention, are not as Michael seems to believe the result of disagreements on an intellectual level that can be addressed with the tools of reason and rationality. To understand this we have to remember for a moment how this all started. By Rebecca Watson making a throwaway comment in a Youtube clip about moving house. “Guys don’t do that“. That’s it. That’s all.
Michael Nugent has recently written a series of posts where he made an attempt to address these issues, he invited the 2 “parties” to rational dialogue, and I am convinced that he really means to solve this issue by ways of rational discussion and reasoning. But this can not work. Continue reading
Posted in Atheism, Skepticism
Tagged atheist, blog, dialogue, Dublin, Michael Nugent, movement, Paula Kirby, PZ Myers, rational, Rebecca Watson, Richard Dawkins, rift, skeptic, slime
There was this atheist conference last year in Ireland, I happened to be attending, was a nice weekend all in all, I met Michael Nugent again, there was some dude called Myers there too, as well as Rebecca Watson, Aron Ra and also Paula Kirby and a bloke called Dawkins. Some elevator business went on there too, if I remember correctly. There was also a bunch of Islamic creationists led by a guy called Hamza Tzortzis. That made for some interesting television.
Now one of the blokes who filmed there (whose name I have forgotten, I still have his wife’s business card)has put out a rather disappointing video addressing the Thunderf00t debacle. Have a look: Continue reading
Posted in Atheism, Videos
Tagged atheist, conference, Dublin, Ireland, PZ Myers, Rebecca Watson, Richard Dawkins, skyzthelimi7, Thunderf00t, video
So, Jen’s out:
But I simply no longer love blogging. Instead of feeling gleeful anticipation when writing up a post, I feel nothing but dread. There’s a group of people out there (google the ironic term FtBullies to find them) devoted to hating me, my friends, and even people I’m just vaguely associated with. I can no longer write anything without my words getting twisted, misrepresented, and quotemined. I wake up every morning to abusive comments, tweets, and emails about how I’m a slut, prude, ugly, fat, feminazi, retard, bitch, and cunt (just to name a few). If I block people who are twisting my words or sending verbal abuse, I receive an even larger wave of nonsensical hate about how I’m a slut, prude, feminazi, retard, bitch, cunt who hates freedom of speech (because the Constitution forces me to listen to people on Twitter). This morning I had to delete dozens of comments of people imitating my identity making graphic, lewd, degrading sexual comments about my personal life. In the past, multiple people have threatened to contact my employer with “evidence” that I’m a bad scientist (because I’m a feminist) to try to destroy my job. I’m constantly worried that the abuse will soon spread to my loved ones.
I just can’t take it anymore.
For the unanointed, a year and a bit ago Rebecca Watson, a blogger, atheist and skeptic, posted a video about moving house in which she spoke for about 30 seconds about the fact that she attended a panel at an atheist conference that dealt with sexual harassment of women in the movement, and despite talking about nothing else all day and making her intentions or lack thereof very clear, was accosted by some socially awkward jerk in the lift at 4am on the way to her hotel room. Before this video was posted on Skepchick and here, we all thought we had a fairly tight-knit community of people who not only lacked belief in gods, but also shared other common goals and values. Boy, were we ever wrong. Continue reading
Posted in Atheism
Tagged atheism, bully, elevator, feminism, Freethoughtblogs, harassment, Jadehawk, Jen McCreight, movement, Paula Kirby, PZ Myers, Rebecca Watson, Richard Dawkins, Russell Blackford